Monday, February 11, 2013


Howard Storm: My father replaced Bert Gordon, the Mad Russian, in vaudeville. He was fourteen years old. In those days in the Lower East Side, the sons would quit school at fourteen and work to help the family. It was very common. Almost every guy around my father's age remembers leaving school at the age of fourteen. My father was called to the principal's office. The principal actually said to him, "You're too dumb to be anything but an actor." He told him, "I'm setting an audition up for you." It was with a big time producer who produced a big-time vaudeville act called School Days with the Crazy Kids.


The original company was Eddie Cantor, Bert Gordon, Fanny Brice, Walter Winchell and George Jessel. That company was two or three years older than my father, about seventeen, I guess. They were doing the Crazy Kids and they sent out a road company of younger kids. My father was one of those that got a part. He did the Bert Gordon role, which in those days they called "the Jew comic." It wasn't improper. Nobody found it offensive.


They had the Irish comic, the Dutch comic, the Jew comic, y'know. They just referred to it that way and my father did the Bert Gordon part on the road. He did it for a year and a half. He came home with two hundred dollars saved, which in those days was a fortune. We're talking about 1912. He says he remembers sitting in the bathroom in the hall of the building he lived in. The tenement toilets were communal and located in the hallway.


He said he was sitting in there counting his money, figuring out how much he was going to give his parents. He decided he would split it. He would give them a hundred dollars. He went back into the apartment and my grandfather was seated at the table having lunch. My father put a hundred dollars down on the table. My grandfather swiped it off the table and knocked it onto the floor. He said, "No one makes that kind of money except gangsters!" My father was raised with Lepke Buchalter, one of the guys that ran Murder Incorporated.


He was around Lansky and all those guys. They were around the same age, so he was raised with them. My grandfather knew they were already in the racket at fifteen years old, holding up pushcart peddlers for "protection." He thought that's where this hundred dollars came from. So he wouldn't take the money. 


When vaudeville died, my father went into burlesque. He found a friend. It was a young man who showed up in the Catskill Mountains when my dad was a social director. This guy was in college at the time and loved show business. He asked my father if he could be in the shows. So my father put him in the shows and had him build sets and things. This guy became a lawyer and ended up being the head lawyer for BMI. He contacted my father and explained to him what he was doing. He said, "We'd like to hire you to go around to all the hotels in the Catskills, since you know a lot of people there, and sign them up for licensing."


He signed up the entire Catskills. Then they asked him if he would do it for nightclubs in New York. And he did that. Because he knew most of the wiseguys, he was able to get into most of the clubs and talk to them without getting thrown out. Then they brought him on board with a regular salary and a pension. He went all over the country and acted as a troubleshooter when someone couldn't get it done.


Kliph Nesteroff: What name did your father perform under?

Howard Storm: That's another strange thing. I don't know why he did this. In vaudeville he called himself Jack Stanley and Jack Stanton. The original name from Russia was Slovoda. I don't know why he didn't keep Stanton or Stanley, but he eventually chose the name Sobel. Jack Sobel.


In burlesque he worked a theater in the Bowery called the People's Theater with a juvenile who sang, "A pretty girl! Is like a mem-oh-reee!" While the stripteaser danced. They would also work in sketches. The young man was named Robert Alda, who was the father of Alan Alda. Robert Alda wound up in Hollywood and he did some movies like the life story of George Gershwin. I would walk to the theater on matinee day and sit in the box and watch the show. I would go backstage and my father and I would walk home together for dinner. I have a copy of me and my father on The Merv Griffin Show in 1966.


He had been retired for about five years. He had never been on television, but the pro that he was, he did it in stride. It was a great shot. The whole piece with my introducing him, Merv talking and doing an old burlesque sketch with my father... it ran about eighteen minutes, which is amazing that any show would allow you that much time. You're usually given a six minute spot.


Kliph Nesteroff: When you entered show business, you started in a comedy team with Lou Alexander. Both of your fathers were burlesque comedians?

Howard Storm: My father and Lou's father knew each other. Lou's father was a nightclub comic who worked the strip joints. We were financially strapped at the time. Things were terrible. My father had his kidney removed. In those days when they did surgery they cut and it was like a ten inch scar, like a quarter moon, on your back. Today they don't do that. Anyway, my father lived til the age of ninety-one. But we were in real bad shape and I was fourteen.


We went to Florida and my father contacted JoJo, who was Lou's dad. Lou's father was working in a club called the Fifteenth Bowery. It was one of those real low-class joints. They had an air hose by the entrance and when a woman walked in they would blow her skirt up. All the performers had to wait tables. There was a big wash basin on the stage. When the performers performed, the people would throw money in the wash basin and they'd split the money at the end of the night.


We lived above it. My parents had a room with a little table and chairs and a hot plate. My mother would cook on the hot plate. Lou and I were going to Edison High School in Miami. A lot of people think of Florida and Miami as just lovely and all, but it is the Deep South. We took the bus to the last stop - and that was Edison High School. Then the bus would turn around and go back to the city.


Lou and I, because we were New York Jews, were constantly harassed and had fights. Lou was fifteen and I was fourteen and a half. That's when we decided to do an act. The first job my father got us was in the Catskill Mountains and we were paid twenty dollars each. We performed with an old burlesque comic, an old timer, named Matt Dennison and his partner, a straight man, George... George... I'll think of it.


Kliph Nesteroff: Tuttle.

Howard Storm. Yes. How did you know that?

Kliph Nesteroff: I looked it up.

Howard Storm: You're amazing. Yes, it was George Tuttle. We worked the summer there. My father was offered a job in Boston at a club called the French Village. He didn't want to do it. He talked the guy into letting me and Lou do it. He told him about "this great comedy team." We didn't even have an act! So my father helped us put together a bunch of burlesque sketches.


We went in for one week and stayed for eight. The owner was a guy named Lou Baker. Then the agent came and booked us into a club called the Shamrock Village in Charlestown, which was the Irish section. A very tough, Irish, Boston neighborhood. We did extremely well. The agent came and offered us a guarantee of a year's work there. Lou didn't want to stay because it was too cold. He wouldn't do it. So we went back to Miami.


We didn't have a job for months. Finally we got a job in Key West, Florida. It was the third nightclub we worked. And then we wound up at the Paddock Club. We stayed there for months. I'm sure Lou told you that comics like Joey Bishop and Jan Murray would come watch us. We did a show at two in the morning. We did three shows a night. They would come after they worked to see these two kids doing burlesque sketches. We were probably nineteen then.


Kliph Nesteroff: And the Paddock Club was, presumably, owned by the Mob...

Howard Storm: Yes, of course. A Jewish Mob guy, but he was very nice to us and we never had a problem.

Kliph Nesteroff: You mentioned that all these comedians used to come and watch you two...

Howard Storm: Yes.

Kliph Nesteroff: One of those comedians who was one of your favorites and possibly a bit of an influence on your own act was Jackie Miles.


Howard Storm: Yes. How do you know that? I was entranced with him. He worked like no other comic. He was very low key. He spoke very softly. He had great material. He was really a good comic. If the audience got noisy, he would get quieter. Instead of trying to out shout them he would get softer and softer until they would say, "Quiet! I can't hear him!" A real good comic.


A little dark haired guy with a pock marked face. Kind of like a nebbish. I was very impressed with this guy because I never saw anybody else work like that. All the other comics were very bombastic, y'know. They were punching away and this guy would just quietly do his thing. In my day, as a kid, we would go to the movies every Saturday. You'd pay ten cents and what it consisted of was a cartoon, Pathe News, and two films. One was an A film and one was a B. It wasn't like today where you come at the beginning and sit through the promos.


In those days you walked into a theater whenever you wanted. You could walk in during the middle of a movie and you would stay through the whole thing until it got back to the part you walked in on and then you'd leave. But there were always arguments among the kids saying, "We came in during this part." "No we didn't!" "Yeah we did. Remember the guy with the moustache getting shot?" And that argument would go on and on. So, Jackie Miles did a routine about that, which to me was so hip. He did a piece where a guy asked him to hold a seat.


So he's holding the seat and a guy comes in and wants to sit down. "I'm sorry, but there's somebody sitting here." "Well, I don't see anybody sitting there!" "No, no, you don't understand. I'm holding it for this guy." "Well, where is the guy?" And the guy who wants the seat would spit on him, and Jackie Miles would flinch so you knew the guy had spit and he'd wipe his eyebrow and say, "You shouldn't have done that." 


It was this little nebbish being pushed around. He did a routine about Gene Autry, always riding his horse and singing. He did a whole piece about that, "I'm a rollin, I'm a riding, I'm headed to the ol ranch." He did a funny bit about that and he was just a very innovative comic.

Kliph Nesteroff: Did you know him personally?


Howard Storm: No. I might have met him for a brief moment in the Catskill Mountains, but no, I didn't know him. But I was very impressed by him.

Kliph Nesteroff: He also hung around with a comedian nobody remembers named Lenny Kent.

Howard Storm: Oh, I remember Lenny Kent. He and Lenny did an act together originally and then they split up. Lenny was also a good comic. Lenny Kent's signature piece was if someone came in the middle of the show - he would stop - and do a run down of all the things the guy missed.


And it was very funny. "I introduced a dancer and then she did a little dance." He does the dance. "Then I came out and told a joke. I was very funny." Does the joke again, quickly. "Then there was a singer." He'd sing and he'd just go through this whole thing, a recall of what you missed. Lenny Kent wound up at Caesar's Palace as a greeter. The Mob gave him a job.


Saturday, February 2, 2013


Kliph Nesteroff: You and your dummy Lester used to perform at a Detroit club called the Brass Rail.

Willie Tyler: Right, it was a strip club. Back in those days, a strip club wasn't like they are today with the poles and things like that. When I wasn't working on the road I would work local venues and one would be the Brass Rail, downtown Detroit. They had a trio that played for the strippers. Because of the union rules, the trio had to take three thirty-minute breaks each night.


So when they took their break, a comic would fill in that slot. The comedian would go up and do time. So, the stripper leaves the stage and the trio leaves the stage, and now you're up there doing stand-up, or in my case doing my [ventriloquist] act with Lester. The last thing a guy at a strip club wants to see is a comic, but it was just one of those gigs and you had to do it.


I'll tell you how conservative strip clubs were back then. In those days, when you were onstage in a strip club you were not allowed to use four-letter words. You could not be crude. It wasn't exactly against the law, but you would definitely be fired from your gig. It was a situation where you could only imply stuff. But I got a lot of practice, a lot of experience, working venues like that. 

Kliph Nesteroff: You were working these strip clubs shortly before you were signed to Motown Records...


Willie Tyler: Actually I was already with Motown in Detroit, but when I wasn't on the road I was around town picking up local gigs and the Brass Rail would be one of them. It was an interesting kind of a situation. Any comedian that worked a place like that would be local. They wouldn't be people that anyone would know - just local people working downtown. 

Kliph Nesteroff: How did you get signed to Motown?


Willie Tyler: I had gotten out of the Air Force and went back to Detroit. I did four years in the Air Force with special services. That was my job. Performing. There was a summer resort community called Idlewild, Michigan. I got a job in the summer working with a revue there. It was a resort, but it was a Black resort. Black performers would work there. 


People like Lloyd Price of Stagger Lee fame. I worked there for the whole summer. They had a full band and that band was all the Funk Brothers. The Funk Brothers were from Motown; Benny Benjamin, James Jamerson, Earl Van Dyke. They were all working up there. The Gordy family would come up there for the summer and that's where they saw me. Someone was talking to Berry Gordy when they returned to Detroit about the ventriloquist they had seen. 


They contacted me and I went over. Motown in those days had their meetings every Wednesday. They had me come in on Wednesday and do about five minutes with Lester. I did that, left, and by the time I got home there was a call: "Welcome to the Motown family." I signed with Motown and I was with them for eight years. I worked as their emcee and I traveled the road with the Motortown Revue. 


We did one-nighters all over the place and we would play the Apollo Theater in New York, the Uptown Theater in Philadelphia and the Fox Theater in Detroit. We were always playing the Fox Theater at Christmas because Berry wanted everyone to be home in Detroit for Christmas. We'd work it every year for the two weeks around Christmas and New Year's.


Kliph Nesteroff: You were on the bill at the Apollo Theater, February 1965, as part of Jocko and His Rocket Ship Show.

Willie Tyler: Jocko was a New York deejay. They often had popular New York deejays emceeing the shows there. Nine out of ten times we didn't do our own emcee work at the Apollo. They always had a deejay who had been publicizing the Motortown Revue on their radio show and they'd emcee it in the evening.



Kliph Nesteroff: The line-up for that engagement was Willie Tyler and Lester, Marvin Gaye, Sheila Ferguson and The Three Degrees, the Reuben Phillips band...

Willie Tyler: Yeah, the Reuben Phillips Orchestra. That's it. I have a photo of the Fox Theater with everybody's name on the marquee for one of the Motortown Revues, everyone's name is on it including Lester and I. Even though our name took more letters and more space than anyone else, Motown was very kind to allow our names on the marquee. It took up most of the space!



Kliph Nesteroff: Where would you you be placed in the line-up on a show like that?

Willie Tyler: It depended on whether there was a deejay. If there was a deejay hosting then I would be some place in the middle. If they didn't have a deejay then I was on in between each act. I was the emcee.


Kliph Nesteroff: Oh, wow, you were actually the host of the Motortown Revue?



Willie Tyler: Yes, that right. You know, have you ever watched the television show Showtime at the Apollo? They have amateurs come out and the audience will boo their disapproval. Well, those are the kinds of audiences we had at the Apollo back then as well. We were doing six shows a day at the Apollo. If it was a holiday like Thanksgiving weekend or something then the shows were back to back to back. Back to back shows.


Sometimes if it was slower during the week people in the audience would stay over. They could stay and watch the next show. With songs it's different, but if you came out doing comedy - then they already knew your punchline. You had to change your stuff. You'd have to play games with the audience because otherwise you have them messing with your set and yelling out your punchlines. So I learned a lot working those particular situations.


Kliph Nesteroff: I imagine that these gigs must have been more difficult for you compared to the other acts.

Willie Tyler: Well, no, not at the Apollo. When you worked the Apollo, even the acts that had hit records were apprehensive. It was a rough audience. Smokey Robinson has mentioned this many times. He said that when he first worked the Apollo... he did the first show and then the manager of the Apollo phoned Motown. They had a deposit down of some kind. They were paying Motown, but he phoned and told them after Smokey performed that they wanted their money back.


The Miracles weren't going over. The audience treated Smokey poorly with heckling and shouting and yelling during the songs. So it was rough. It was kind of rough. I was working there one time with a singer - I can't remember his name - but he was from Detroit. He had a regional hit record in the Northeast - New York, Detroit and Chicago.


So we're at the Apollo and I was emceeing this particular show. I introduced him and he went out and sang this hit song. As part of his act, he had a handkerchief in his lapel pocket which he'd pull out and walk to the edge of the stage. Women would run up to the edge of the stage with their arms out and he would toss the handkerchief and the ladies in the audience would fight over it. Now fast forward six months.


We're both working the Apollo again. He's introduced, he sings the song that was a hit six months earlier, pulls the handkerchief out and goes to the edge of the stage and tosses the handkerchief. This time - they're not fighting over it. They take the handkerchief and throw it at him. It was that kind of a crowd. Baptism by fire. But if you made it at the Apollo - you could make it anywhere.


Kliph Nesteroff: I have an advertisement from June 1965. A Motown tour of one-nighters all across the South: Raleigh, Greensboro, Greenville, Charlotte, Louisville, St. Louis, Nashville, Chatanooga, Augusta, Montgomery, Knoxville, Mobile and New Orleans. All of that in twelve days.


Willie Tyler: Yeah, all the villes are in there (laughs). Greenville, Knoxville, Nashville, Louisville (laughs). Yeah, those were one-nighters and we'd all travel in the bus. Everyone was on the bus except the Four Tops. The Four Tops had their own station wagon so they were independent. The four of them and their valet. They would already be at the gig by the time the rest of us arrived on the bus.


Kliph Nesteroff: The line-up for this tour - Marvin Gaye, Martha and the Vandellas, Junior Walker and the All-Stars, Brenda Holloway, the Contours, Willie Tyler and Lester.

Willie Tyler: Mmm hmm and this was the type of tour in which I was the emcee. Lester and I would host the shows and do all the emcee work. These shows were sort of self-contained, the traveling Motortown Revue. I guess people still tour like that, but I don't think the venues are as far away now as they were in those days. We would be driving forever.


We'd be driving through the Appalachians, driving down the mountains and they'd be icy, icy roads. The driver would have to go very, very slow. We had two drivers and we'd be driving at night. We'd always drive through the night and get to the hotel in the morning. Check in, rest up, shower, go to the venue, come back, check out and then drive again to the next one. It was a grueling schedule. I remember we were working a place called the Carter Barron in Washington DC.


It was a big venue and the accoustics were really bad. Sound was bouncing all over the place during the soundcheck and I thought, "Wow, this is going to be really difficult for me." I'm the only talking act and it was a Saturday night with the potential for a rowdy audience. So I wondered how I was going to get through it. When we got there... we all felt this... there was something about the place... it was not a good feeling.


So, the show started and the leader of the band for the Motortown Revue was Choker Campbell. He was onstage, this large stage. When the show started we all still had this feeling. "There's something strange here." The Contours opened. If the Contours were on a given tour they always opened. Martha and the Vandellas were on second.


Martha is singing and then all of a sudden way up in the balcony - four shots went off. And as soon as the four shots went off we knew they were shots. Choker Campbell took one look at the band and stopped them. Didn't look at the audience. He grabbed all his sheet music, the band grabbed theirs and walked off the stage - as did Martha and everyone else. That was it. Show over. When something like that happens - you can't follow that.


Kliph Nesteroff: Even though this was part of the whole Motown scene - were the venues you were playing considered the Chitlin' Circuit... or what, at least, had been the Chitlin' Circuit?

Willie Tyler: Well, yeah, some of the theaters were considered that, but the Chitlin Circuit was mostly clubs. Black nightclubs. A lot of Black entertainers couldn't work white clubs and these were the places that Black acts could perform and Black crowds would come. BB King called those places Buckets of Blood because there was always someone fighting in there. They were full of cigarette smoke and they had no ventilation.


I always noticed when I worked places like that... especially in the days when Lester had a big Afro... every time I went to take him out of his suitcase, boy, you could smell that cigarette smoke in his hair. We'd play all those clubs and that cigarette smoke would linger. Me, of course, I can take a shower and everything, but you can't give Lester a shower (laughs). But yes, it was the Chitlin' Circuit.


Kliph Nesteroff: Were there any other comedians signed to Motown?

Willie Tyler: There was a guy named Bill Murry - not the actor from films, but a guy named Bill Murry who grew up in Detroit. He had an alias. He called himself Blind Head Willie. That was his moniker on the Chitlin' Circuit. When he got with Motown and started traveling with the group he changed his billing to Bill Murry. As a matter of fact on the Stevie Wonder Fingertips album where there's Part One and Part Two...


Kliph Nesteroff: Yeah...

Willie Tyler: At the end of part one you hear a guy go, "How about it? Let's hear it for him! Little Stevie Wonder! Take a bow, Stevie."


Kliph Nesteroff: Right...

Willie Tyler: That's Bill Murry.

Kliph Nesteroff: Wow, that's interesting. I didn't know he was a comedian. Bill Murry never put out a record, did he?


Willie Tyler: No, I don't think Bill ever put out any comedy albums, but when Motown moved out to Los Angeles he moved with them and did a bit of movie stuff. I'd go see a movie and there he'd be in the background.

Kliph Nesteroff: How was your Motown comedy record done?

Willie Tyler: The Fox Theater in Detroit that I mentioned, it was done live there. When I signed with Motown, in the contract it said they'd put out a Willie Tyler and Lester comedy record in one year. So while I was working in Detroit during Christmastime, they did it then. In fact they recorded all the acts at the Fox Theater during that engagement. 


They recorded our shows there and made the Hello, Dummy album from it - and you can tell because of all the people yelling in the audience on the record. It was almost like the Apollo, but that was a fun thing to do, to have my own album out on the Tamla record label... 

Kliph Nesteroff: I don't think too many people know about that record. It was recorded during the height of Motown's popularity, but it got lost in the mix.


Willie Tyler: Yes, it was a situation where they were abiding by the contract. But on that album we sing a song called Fever. In the act we'd do songs too, but if Lester and I did a song it was just something short. One time at the Fox, Berry Gordy was standing by the elevator and all the writers were there. He was talking to them and he looked over at me and looked back at them. 


He said, "When are you guys gonna write something for Willie?" But, I mean, these guys were thinking, "Why in the world would we write a song for Willie Tyler when we have the Temptations and the Supremes?" They had priorities. They told Berry, "Yeah, we'll think about that." (laughs) Of course they never wrote anything song-wise for us, but it was still just phenomenal to be a part of all of this. 
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